Tuesday, 1 January 2013

Margin Notes

A few people have mentioned this in discussions so we thought it would be a good idea to try and make sense of the timeline surrounding the margin notes and different pen colours.

There are a couple of versions one from melvillean2 and one from ObFuSc8



melvillean2

1. Pencil: this is Eric writing notes to himself as he's reading the book for the first time, and a lot of what Jen seems to be responding to in her first set of notes (in blue ink)

2. Blue and black ink: this is Jen and Eric writing back and forth to one another

3. Green and orange ink: this is Jen and Eric writing after the first set of notes (and this is also where the postcards from Brazil come into play, I believe)

4. Purple and red: this is Jen and Eric writing after the second set of notes

5. Black and black: the final set of notes we see both Eric and Jen writing in black ink (which you can isolate from (2.) above by the inclusion of Jen's cursive in black. I *think* I also noted that there were a few instances of Eric writing notes on his own that seemed to be from this last set, and those were outlined in black boxes (and/or had black vertical lines on either side? I forget)

ObFuSc8

From oldest >> most recent:

- Eric: Pencil >> Black felt tip >> Green >> Red felt tip

- Jen: Blue ballpoint >> blue ball point >> Red ballpoint >> Purple || Black felt tip**

**Jen starts using black felt tip (just like Eric's - possibly the same pen) but chronology isn't completely clear.


For example, Jen mentions Serin pretty early on (p. xii) but Eric doesn't really comment about the check from the Serin Institute until p15. So that trip to NYC for the photo auction is later along the Jen/Eric timeline

19 comments:

  1. There is one other making notes in the book.. but I will leave for future discussion once we've all read the book.

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    1. I saw the "S." symbol that neither Jen nor Eric say they drew {xiii} ... is there more?

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  2. EDIT -- Ink Color Chronology:

    From oldest >> most recent:
    - Eric: Pencil >> Black felt tip >> Green >> Red felt tip
    - Jen: Blue ballpoint >> blue ball point >> Red ballpoint >> Purple || Black felt tip**


    **Jen starts using black felt tip (just like Eric's - possibly the same pen) but chronology isn't completely clear.
    (I agree with what melvillean2 said, that the these are likely the final pass of marginalia notes.)

    -Jen only - p101, p201, p221
    -Both Jen & Eric (same page, same exchange): p66, p113, p115

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  3. On page 168, the phrase "An adult human could disappear" is underlined, and Eric and Jen both deny doing it. Did anyone ever figure out what was up with that? It was really creepy.

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    1. There is also the "S" drawn in that they both say they did not do, and the OK at the end that is struck out with two black lines. My theory is defenestration in Prague. Yes, creepy.

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  4. also note that the notes dont seem to happen chronologically in the book. what I mean is Jen picks up the book reads through and responds to him in several places. then eric picks up the book and responds to jen in several places and maybe adds a new comment and they go back and forth like this a couple times for each color. so same color system same page does not mean same time.. it could of been weeks of talking before they switched colors. This is most obvious during there spat near the end of the book in red and purple. After Jen tells eric her story about the park and he gets angry you will note he makes nasty comments a few different places in the book.

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  5. Perhaps to be filed under: MacGuffin. p.101 makes reference to an Indian director adapting Ship of Theseus to film. Coincidentally, an Indian film of the same film was released in 2013 exploring the Theseus' paradox (additional fun: Abrams favorite John Locke played with the concept.)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1773764/

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    1. Yes it is an odd coincidence isn't it. Perhaps DD knew about the film and incorporated it into the book for that extra touch of reality.

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    2. Based on an interview with an interview with Dorst conducted by the Austin Chronicle , Dorst was fully aware of the Indian film and worked that into the margins intentionally.

      Dorst: Yeah, and I was Googling desperately, hoping that hadn't been used. And it came with a built-in setting, because I didn't know where the story was gonna be, and then it was like, "Ah, a ship, great – that's what we're starting with!" And, you know, it turns out that there's a film called Ship of Theseus that came out a week before or after the book? I think it's an Indian film, and actually there's this weird little moment in the book where Jen asks Eric, "Did anybody ever try to make a movie of Ship of Theseus?" And he's like, "Yeah, there was an Indian guy – but he disappeared."

      Bucher: Yeah, that's great!

      Dorst: There are all kinds of reverberating real-world moments like that. So that was my interest.

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  6. What does it mean when Eric prefaces a comment by CF?

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    1. Literally, it means "confer". Read it as "compare to" - it is referring you to something else to compare. (I had to look it up, too...)

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  7. On p431, Jen remarks in the margins "It all goes back to Calais." What does this mean?

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  8. Interestingly, no one has mentioned Eric's given name is Nicodemus John. biblically Nicodemus was a seeker, having a deep feeling that there is more to life, a great truth to be discovered. While he prefers the name Eric, his spiritual side is true to his given name.

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    1. Susan - agree. I did a post on the spiritual significance of Eric's real name and his letter to Jen about his uncle Ezekiel. Lots of spiritual references there. http://whoisstraka.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/eric-huschs-letter-to-jen-heyward/

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  9. I'm noticing a lot of people are finding significance in the spiritual meaning behind Eric's real name, I was wondering if anyone had looked into the Nicodemus cipher and had any ideas as to how or if it could be applied to the book. I'm rather new to this site and haven't had a chance to read everything, so sorry if this is old news.

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  10. Hi everyone! I'm so late to this, but loving it! Quick question- the Danish guy's website; anyone ever find it IRL? THANKS!

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